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Caerlŷr = Leicester
I am currently watching the rugby on S4C. Scarletts are playing Leicester. I am listening to the English commentary.
But the caption on the screen has confused me. As I watch the score is currently SCA 18 CAER 19.
On investigating I find that in Welsh Leicester is known as Caerlŷr. So my question is .... why? Why would the Welsh know it by that name?
--- John
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3/Feb/2013, 2:18 pm
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Re: Caerlŷr = Leicester
It's all Greek to me.
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3/Feb/2013, 5:13 pm
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Re: Caerlŷr = Leicester
It's Latin - the prefix Caer in Welsh and the English suffix cester (or chester) equate to the Latin word castellum, meaning village, fort, stronghold, palladium, etc., so Caerlyr (or Lyrcester) is the Welsh (or English) equivalent of the Latin for the village, fort, stronghold, palladium, etc. of Lyr. Simples. Caer or cester also mean girth, referring to the pallisades, earthworks or defences surrounding the village.
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Re: Caerlŷr = Leicester
Thanks very much. I did not realise that Leicester was so old.
Quite a lot more about the history in Wikipedia.
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4/Feb/2013, 5:29 pm
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Re: Caerlŷr = Leicester
I only know of this because whilst studying the Romans at school, back in the early 1960s, Leicester, Colchester, Caerleon and Caerwent were some of examples used to explain the place names and we visited Caerleon and Caerwent on a field trip to study the Roman remains.
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Re: Caerlŷr = Leicester
didnt study very well, you bloomin missed my old uncle Richard, the one with the bad back, yonu the child murderer, who took the throne...
... still prob not looking that hard
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5/Feb/2013, 10:24 am
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Re: Caerlŷr = Leicester
Ricky the Turd, sorry mate too contemporary for us classics scholars we were looking for signs of civilisation in Offa the Dyke's land, sadly not to be found in them thar vallewys after the Romans left, only sheep and discarded wellies .
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