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Nick Clegg by a mile. emoticon
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it was boring
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I said that before it started. Obviously Nick Clegg has the least to lose and the most to gain.

I can't believe that Cameron came second on some of the instant-reaction polls. He was poor, and as bad as Brown is in front of the media, he didn't do any worse than Cameron.
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If boring is the opposite of entertaining then you have missed the point: it wasn't an entertainment. I really dislike the term boring as a condemnation of anything where we are expected to look and listen and form an opinion: how can that be boring? You are using your faculties, looking for nuances etc: just stick to soaps if you don't want to think.

Nick Clegg won easily with a confidence that I hadn't expected, expressed both in his posture and ability to respond apparently without hesitation. Gordon Brown was as I had expected, rather dour, scripted, formulaic jokes (although I liked the airbrushing dig), but what a surprise that David Cameron was so inept and nervous: he most certainly will need everyone to take a share in government as he quite clearly will need all the help he can get.
It begs the question how does this reflect their ability to govern? We know Gordon Brown's capabilities and it never has seemed more appropriate to think "better the devil you know". Clegg: fresh ideas, someone to agree with, but can the Liberals really step up from their background role to maybe a share of the real job.
As for Tory-Lite Cameron, the jury is out, but I suspect the grandees are preparing a noose.

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I think that the Foreign Affairs themed debate will be the most important.

Its a much greater chance for Clegg as the Lib Dems (the way I see it) are the only major anti-war party, while GB will have to justify taking the UK into Iraq + Afghanistan (and Cameron will have to justify suipporting him)

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Got to agree with you Trostky. The Lib Dems seem to be the only party, with any social conscience.

Last nights debate was a triumph for Nick Clegg, his reasoning on the Trident nuclear missile programme was the highlight for me.

Lets hope this starts the bandwagon rolling for the Lib Dems & they get at least a share of power in a hung parliament.
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I found this on Facebook, if you've got 5 mins its a very good read.

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This question was cut out of the Leaders Debate

Tim from Bristol: If you were to come into power, how would your party change a broken light bulb?

Nick: We'd ensure that the people have the power to replace light bulbs when they break and also see to it that replacement light bulbs are much more energy-efficient and long-lasting.

Gordon: While we could replace a light bulb, the reality is that no light bulb is broken. Light bulbs today are also the brightest and most efficient than they've ever been.

David: Thank you for asking this vital question. A lady wrote to me last week telling me how every light bulb she has in her house has broken over the past 12 years of Labour government. Every single one. Only the Conservatives can bring real change to British light bulbs.

Gordon: The only reason the Tories would bring in new light bulbs would be to make David's face look even shinier. The fact is, new light bulbs would only hinder Britain's economic recovery and that is something Labour is unwilling to let happen. How would the Conservatives finance this exactly?

David: Recent studies have shown that it's not the broken light bulbs that need changing. The real issue is, why do we even need light bulbs in the first place? I'll tell you why. It's because Britain is dark and it's only getting darker. Not a day goes by where it doesn't become so dark that it doesn't become inevitable that at some point you will have to rely on a light bulb to even walk around your own home. Why has Labour allowed this continue for so long and why are they so in denial about it?

Gordon: We are not in denial, we just have the experience and the wisdom to realise that we are not alone in this problem. The rest of Europe knows, even America knows, that darkness is a global problem that affects everyone. However, this is not a problem that will just go away overnight. We all need to work together, both across our parties and with the wider world community to overcome darkness in a way that is fairer to everyone.

Nick: You know, the more you two talk, the more apparent it becomes that neither of you have a real understanding of this at all. Broken light bulbs just need replacing with new ones. It's as simple as that

David: And where would you find the capital for these 'simple' plans to change light bulbs? You can't talk of slashing £16bn of expenses and then say that you'll do it by giving everyone free light bulbs for life. The numbers just don't add up.

Gordon: I'm sure Nick will agree with me here, what Britain's light bulb infrastructure is solid, long-term investment in ensuring that Britain is prepared for when light bulbs break. We need continuous investment in Education, the NHS and the armed forces so that we able to prevent light bulbs from breaking. This is what Labour has done and is what it will continue to do. The Conservatives can talk all they want about change, but when it comes down to it the only people to benefit from their plans is the top 5% earners. This is why Labour has made a personal promise to every citizen that when their light bulbs break we will guarantee them access to an electrician within 2 weeks, and a light bulb changing operation within 3 weeks. David can't make that promise, and Nick can't make that promise.

Nick: What? Tim, going back to your question; broken light bulbs can be replaced with a new one. There is no need for any extra bureaucracy or politics.

Gordon: I agree with Nick.

David: I'm sorry Gordon but I just can't agree with you on that. I agree with Nick and look forward to working with him in the future.



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A hung parliament? Ooooh yes, lynch the bloody lot of 'em emoticon

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Your spot on Clive

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Trotsky & myself were still discussing politics during the Manchester derby.

How sad is that.
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