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You always have to take into account how the rich are motivated by money and therefore should be allowed to keep their money in some sheltered investment not counted as income. Meanwhile the poor need to work harder and stop scrounging benefits.
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18/May/2010, 5:13 pm
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The trouble is, companies recognise that hose higher up in the company don't deserve their pay, it's just a rational reaction to the idea that each step on the ladder having inflated pay motivates people to work hard for the company to work their way up.
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18/May/2010, 5:32 pm
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quote: knowle1moor wrote:
quote: M00R5 wrote:
Fair taxation = people who can afford to pay more tax are taxed at a higher rate
What's fair about that?
Anyway it seems sanity is resumed and the former Prime Mentalist can go and do some selfless charity work, financial advice maybe?? "Bankrupt yourself, it's the right thing to do"
Clegg is a liberal, not a socialist...unlucky guys
Still i suppose you could always move to a socialist utopia like Greece
I hadn't realised that it was Gordon that brought the global capital system to the brink, I was under the obviously mistaken impression that it was greedy insulated bankers and insurance brokers passing off worthless pieces of real estate debt among themselves whilst hiking the prices ever higher and higher. Forgive me for I know not what I'm taking about. It used to be called pyramid selling before they made that illegal.
Isn't it bizarre that people that have never done a day's charitable work in their lives suggest that everyone else do some?
Clegg may be a liberal by label but the liberals (Whigs) opposed the Tories for hundreds of years, Clegg is an opportunist who duped socialists into voting for him as a tactic to try to keep the Tories out, a tactic which prevented the Tories from gaining overall control. The chickens will eventually come home to roost.
As for socialist utopias, there isn't one. As for moving to Greece, that's the kind of numbskull argument used against the left when the right are unable to put forward coherent arguments. Nice to see you've allied yourself with the european nazis, though, the natural successors or even predecessors to the South African racists the right supported for so long. But then they would ally themselves to any bigot that would allow them free rein to exploit resources as long as the allowers were getting their kickbacks and were prepared to turn a blind eye to destabilisation of the citizenry including killing and torture, bugger me pay them enough and they'll even do it for you so you can say you knew nothing about it and your hands are clean. Water finds its own level, so does diarrhoea.
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18/May/2010, 8:57 pm
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Same rate was what I meant. Sorry to be ambiguous.
For example, somebody on £25k p/a paying 20% tax would have £20k to live on for the year, minus bills, which would probably take it down to more like £15k. That's a fairly big blow. In relative terms, it's probably about the same as somebody on £100k p/a paying 40%. If both are taking the same hit, then surely that's fairer than the richer man also paying 20%, or both paying more.
1 - should be a bloody large threshold before you pay any tax
2 - in relative terms its still the same percentage! your concept of fair isnt the same as mine. if you go out for a meal with someone who earns more than you, do you pay your way or do you insist they pay more in the interest of fairness?
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Charge the meal to expenses.
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18/May/2010, 9:48 pm
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quote: Ojiveojive wrote:
quote: knowle1moor wrote:
quote: M00R5 wrote:
Fair taxation = people who can afford to pay more tax are taxed at a higher rate
What's fair about that?
Anyway it seems sanity is resumed and the former Prime Mentalist can go and do some selfless charity work, financial advice maybe?? "Bankrupt yourself, it's the right thing to do"
Clegg is a liberal, not a socialist...unlucky guys
Still i suppose you could always move to a socialist utopia like Greece
I hadn't realised that it was Gordon that brought the global capital system to the brink, I was under the obviously mistaken impression that it was greedy insulated bankers and insurance brokers passing off worthless pieces of real estate debt among themselves whilst hiking the prices ever higher and higher. Forgive me for I know not what I'm taking about. It used to be called pyramid selling before they made that illegal.
Isn't it bizarre that people that have never done a day's charitable work in their lives suggest that everyone else do some?
Clegg may be a liberal by label but the liberals (Whigs) opposed the Tories for hundreds of years, Clegg is an opportunist who duped socialists into voting for him as a tactic to try to keep the Tories out, a tactic which prevented the Tories from gaining overall control. The chickens will eventually come home to roost.
As for socialist utopias, there isn't one. As for moving to Greece, that's the kind of numbskull argument used against the left when the right are unable to put forward coherent arguments. Nice to see you've allied yourself with the european nazis, though, the natural successors or even predecessors to the South African racists the right supported for so long. But then they would ally themselves to any bigot that would allow them free rein to exploit resources as long as the allowers were getting their kickbacks and were prepared to turn a blind eye to destabilisation of the citizenry including killing and torture, bugger me pay them enough and they'll even do it for you so you can say you knew nothing about it and your hands are clean. Water finds its own level, so does diarrhoea.
what a whopper
can the credit crunch really explain the level of our defecit? and why did we have one pre-2007?
why are you bringing race into this argument? just get the words bigot and nazi in at every opportunity eh? just because i believe in free markets and low taxes? bloody strange link to make
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quote: knowle1moor wrote:
1 - should be a bloody large threshold before you pay any tax
yeah like that'll work.
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18/May/2010, 10:32 pm
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quote: knowle1moor wrote:
2 - in relative terms its still the same percentage! your concept of fair isnt the same as mine. if you go out for a meal with someone who earns more than you, do you pay your way or do you insist they pay more in the interest of fairness?
Poor analogy imo as it oversimplifies the situation.
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quote: knowle1moor wrote:
why are you bringing race into this argument? just get the words bigot and nazi in at every opportunity eh? just because i believe in free markets and low taxes? bloody strange link to make
Because it's relevent when the party you support has allied itself with european nazis and anti-semitics.
"If I am to die, I would rather die fighting on the left," said David Lloyd George when, in 1931, he explained why he would not be joining most of the Liberal Party in coalition with the Conservative dominated National Government.
I'm surprised that you're not aware of the previous Con-Dem coalitions of 1895, 1916-1922 and the 1931 National Government, the support of satellite parties and outsiders ensured victories for the Tories in 1900 (Joseph Chamberlain), 1918 (Lloyd George) and 1931 (Ramsay MacDonald).
In 1975 Harold MacMillan wrote: "The last purely Conservative government was formed by Mr Disraeli in 1874 - it is the fact that we have attracted moderate people of Liberal tradition and thought into our ranks which makes it possible to maintain a Conservative government today. Once it [the party] begins to shrink into itself like a snail it will be doomed..."
The Liberals have never been in a peacetime coalition with the Labour Party but they have supported minority Labour governments - in 1924, 1929-31 and 1977-78
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Joe Chamberlain was just a particularly radical Conservative, wasn't he?
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22/May/2010, 7:01 pm
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